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>> i'm going with the niners, come on, true blood. >> don't forget to set your dvrs. never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is next. we'll have our ghetto shots next. >> to the face. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier in washington. breaking late today, new obamacare enrollment numbers and what they mean. it seems youth is not being served by obamacare, at least not yet. new information from the administration is painting a clearer picture of just who is taking the plunge into the new health care pool. chief national correspondent jim ingle tells us the most important people for the success of the law are so far largely staying out of the water. >> the numbers released today are the first to get some description of what age groups are signing up for obamacare, and many analysts find the news troubling. a little less than 2.2 million have signed up overall, but only 24% of them, about 489,000, are
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in the 18 to 34 age bracket. >> out of 7 million, which is the goal of the administration, they need about 2.8 million to be young. they're not getting that kind of ratio right now. >> without a rarjer portion of younger people, you get an older and more expensive population. >> what's happening is the people who are signing up are definitely older. more than half are over 45 years of age. the reason that's important is because as we get older, we have more health problems. >> one insurance company, humana, reported in its year end filings, it was getting a higher risk population than it planned. >> they had already anticipated there would be some adverse selection. it turned out it's going to be worse than expected. >> eventually, the ceo said 18 to 34-year-olds would need to be 40% of the total for the insurance markets to work. on the broader numbers, many analysts also have questions. some say there are at least 20 million uninsured, maybe as many
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as 50 million. and they say signing up a little more than 2 million, including those who got canceled, is not nearly enough. >> you have to get sfept% of the group to sign up to get a good cross section of the sick and healthy that you need. >> even if there were only 20 million, insurance companies would need 14 million overall to sign up, far more than the 2.2 million now on the rolls. >> if the only people who are signing up for health insurance are people who need medical care, and we don't get broad participation among those who are young and healthy, then the marketplaces simply won't work. >> administration officials said today that the number of young people enrolled increased eight fold in december over the previous two months and that they're on a good trajectory. they also argue that the young tend to wait until the end and say they'll actively promote the plan in order to get the number of young they need. bret. >> with the panel, thank you. now, two bombshell fox news
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exclusives. the benghazi transcripts, pulling back the curtain on what really happened the night of the benghazi terror attack. fox news has obtained previously top secret documents and transcripts indicated what president obama knew and when he knew it. and why the u.s. did not get help there in time. we have fox team coverage tonight. jennifer griffin at the pentagon on what led to the military's lack of preparation and slow response that night, but we begin with chief washington correspondent james rosen, and previously secret information about that tragic night. >> good evening. fox news has gotten a first look at 450 pages of sworn testimony by america's highest ranking military officers that reveal what they and president obama knew about benghazi from the earliest moments. the assault on the u.s. consulate in benghazi began at 9:42 libya time on the night of september 11th, 2012, and within 20 minutes, general hamm was
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notified. he told the subcommittee on oversight and investigations said my first call was to general dempsey. i told him what i knew. we immediately walked upstairs to meet with secretary panetta. then defense secretary leon panetta and general martin dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff were already scheduled to see president obama on different subjects. buck mckeon asked hamm, in your discussions with general dempsey and secretary panetta, was there any mention of a demonstration, or was all of the discussion about an attack? we know hamm testified that a u.s. facility had been attacked and was under attack, and we knew we had two individuals unaccounted for. a veteran of the iraq war pressed the issue. as a military person, i'm concerned someone in the millty would be advising this is a demonstration. i would hope that our millty leadership would be advising this is a terrorist attack.
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again, sir, ham testified, i think there was some preliminary discussion about, you know, maybe there was a demonstration, but i think of the command, i personally, and the command quickly got to the point that this was not a demonstration. this was a terrorist attack. you would have advised as such if asked, would that be correct? >> with general dempsey and secretary panetta, that is the nature of the conversation we had. in february of last year, panetta told the senate he introduced the subject of benghazi to president obama on innight of nen. >> it's no doubt in my mind it was a terrorist attack. >> as he battled for re-election, they pressed a false narrative of the attacks, and panetta said nothing publicly to correct it. >> it was reported people went crazy and wild because of this anti-muslim or anti-mohammed movie, but then i heard hillary clinton say it was an act of terrorism. what do you say? >> we're still doing an investigation. >> he's in the president's cabinet. the american people deserve the
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truth. >> leon panetta should have spoken up to the president directly. the people at the pentagon, and thankfully the people at the cia, stood back while all of this was unfolding, and allowed this narrative to go on longer than they should have. >> the commander of of rucom's joint spesk task force testified no one from the military was ever advising this was a demonstration gone out of control. tomorrow will reveal more from the benghazi transcripts including evidence on whether the white house willfully misled the american people on how well prepared president obama was on september 10th of 2012. >> you reached out to leon panetta and the white house. >> that's right. we sent an e-mail to panetta's former chief of staff, no response, and at the white house press briefing today, press secretary jay carney who knew i was there and why i was there, declined to call on me for a question. >> going back tomorrow? >> i will. >> thank you. for 15 months, there have been questions about who ordered
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what assets to assist the rescue and why they were so slow in arriving. national security correspondent jennifer griffin examines the 450 pages of newly declassified congressional testimony by commanders who led the rescue efforts. >> the transcripts provide new insight into the military decision making in the benghazi attack, in particular, for the first time, general carter ham then head of africom who led the response, explains in sworn testimony what assets he had available to him and debunks widespread speculation he was removed from overseeing the military operation because he wanted to do more militarily that night than he was allowed to by his superiors or the white house. chairman of the house armed services committee buck mckeon did the questions. quote, i heard you had made the statement you were prepared to go to their aid and somebody told you no, and you said we're going anyway. is that all some supposition that comes from some reporter? ham replies, yes, sir, no one ever told me no.
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the commander went on to present a picture of a woefully ill-postured military force whose assets were not in position to launch a timely response or rescue. not just in benghazi, but also across africa and the middle east. no attack aircraft were placed on high alert on september 11th. fighter jets were unarmed and air refuelers were ten hours away in great britain. >> they did what they could with what they had. the bottom line here is they didn't have what they needed to respond. >> u.s. africom commanders were aware of a deteriorating security situation in libya and offered a detachment of marines to the embassy following a visit to libya in 2011. the offer was rejected by the state department, and there were no marines in libya on the night of the attack. ham pushed back against repeated suggestions by committee mens and some analysts that sending an f-16 to fly over benghazi on
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the night of the attack would have made any difference. quote, the intelligence i had at the time caused me to conclude in my military judgment that attack aircraft would not be the appropriate response tool. so i did not direct a heightened alert. congressman jason chaffin scolded him for not sending the c-17 rescue plane for the wounded until 2:15 the next day. the decision to rely on libyan transfer planes forced survivors aacademying ambassador stevens' body to wait an additional three hours in benghazi. not everyone could fit on the first flight out, and libyan planes were barred from flying at night. special operations' hands were flied when ambassador stevens decided not to base more uniformed military personnel in libya. >> even our most specialized and elite warriors simply can't sprout wings and fly at supersonic speed, so there has to be provisions made in advance to response to crises. >> perhaps the most vexing question for committee members
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was the decision to make the fast team of marines sent as a quick reaction force from spain to deplane and change out of their uniforms, delaying their response time by more than an hour. >> despite being ill positioned and ill prepared, the white house gave assurances on the eve of the attack, claiming john brennan and the white house had spent months reviewing u.s. military posture before the attack. my colleague james rosen will have more on that tomorrow. bret. >> jennifer griffin pentagon. thank you. you can go to the fox news.com homepage for more details on jennifer and james' benghazi stories. stocks took a tumble today. the dow lost 179 points. the s&p 500 was off 23. the nasdaq gave up 61. >> up next, president obama responds to criticism from his former defense chief, chief about his leadership. first, here's what some of our affiliates across the country are covering.
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fox 2 in st. louis, a southwest airlines plane lands at the wrong airport. the boeing 747 from chicago was supposed to touch down in branson, missouri. instead, it landed at a small county airport with a short runway. fox13 in tampa with a shooting in a movie theater. two people were hit, one dies. apparently grew out of an argue about cell phone texting before the movie started. moments ago, authorities said the shooter is a retired tampa police officer. and this is a live look at new york from our affiliate there, fox5. the big story there tonight is yankees superstar alex rodriguez, ark-rod, suing major league baseball over his season-long suspension for using performance enhancing drugs. that's tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we'll be right back. ping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe a promotion is in order.
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weighed in on a book that has
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caused quite a stir in washington. trying to take the high road after being low bridged as a poor leader in the new book by former defense secretary robert gates. chief white house correspondent ed henry on gates speaking out and president obama responding. >> president obama pushed back today for the first time on the attacks from his former defense secretary. zeroing in on inpositive part of the book where robert gates acknowledges that overall he agreed with the president's key decisions on afghanistan. >> he and i and the rest of my national security team came up with a strategy for afghanistan that was the right strategy and we're continuing to execute. and i think that what's important is that we got the policy right. >> those comments came as gates, wearing a neck brace after an injury, kicked off his media blitz and tried to soften his rough assessment of the president's leadership. >> i think the book is very even handed. i don't vilify anybody, and i
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make clear that i have a lot of respect for both president bush and president obama. >> yet the book itself does hit mr. obama hard at some points, including where he questions the president's commitment to winning the war in afghanistan. gates writing, quote, the only military matter apart from leaks about which i ever sensed deep passion on his part was don't ask don't tell. in an interview with cbs news taped before the injury, and before the media storm, gates did not pull any punches. >> it's one thing to tell the troops that you support them. it's another to work it, making them believe that you believe as president that their sacrifice is worth it. it was this absence of passion, this absence of a conviction of the importance of success that disturbed me. >> in the oval office today, the president went out of his way to reject that specific charge.
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>> just as i have continued to have faith in our mission, most importantly, i have had unwavering confidence in our troops. and their performance in some of the most difficult situations imaginable wit imaginable. that job is not yet done. >> as for the timing, they said they believe secretary gates wanted the book out now in order to influence final decisions on troop levels and as for whether the book is too tough on the wi white house, they said, they ought to look in the mirror. >> ed henry, thank you. president obama is telling congress, republicans and democrats, to back off on any new sanctions against iran. this comes in the afterglow of his just-finished deal with iran aimed at curbing its nuclear program. >> both iran and the u.s. hailed the implementation of the phase deal finalized yesterday. set to take place on the 23rd.
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>> this interim agreement is the result of concerted international action, including unprecedented sanctions. it's going to be difficult. it's going to be challenging, but ultimately, this is how diplomacy should look. >> negotiators russia and china, iran's strongest allies, won more technical concessions at the 11th hour, that iran face no limitation to continue researching. it leaves iran free to develop centrifuges to process uranium. >> centrifuges that have no other purpose than to build a nuclear weapon and enrich uranium. >> consensus is building as a grub of bipartisan democrats and republicans line up to impose sanctions after six months if iran cheats. >> anyone who trusts iran really hasn't been paying attention for the past 30 years. they cheat, they lie, and cannot be trusted. it's sanctions, tough sanctions, that drove iran to this point.
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and i think that relieving sanctions is a terrible mistake. >> but iranian foreign minister warned if new sanctions are passed, quote, the entire deal is dead. he laid a wreath at the grave of the former head of hezbollah, the man responsible for killing 241 marines in 1983 and suspected of killing former lebanese prime minister, hariri. they warned to hold off on new sanctions. >> it could undermine the consensus that we built. >> carney said the sanctions were only strong because of international cooperation, now threatened by congress's unilateral action, but critics say iran is using sanctions relief for nefarious purposes. >> this is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism. they got billions of dollars to continue funding terrorism. >> the president has vowed to veto any bill to impose sanctions on iran, but it could garner 67 votes, a veto-proof majority. >> doug, thank you. israel said good-bye today
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to one of its heroes. leaders and dignitaries from all over the world paid tribute to former israeli prime minister ariel sharon. he died saturday, 8 years after suffering a devastating stroke that left him in a coma. sharon was 85. still ahead, a supreme court case that could lead to a case of the blues for president obama. we'll explain. first, now the feds are coming after chris christie. ♪ [ male announcer ] to truck guys, the truck is everything. and when you put them in charge of making an unbeable truck, good things happen. this is the ram 1500. the 2014 motor trend truck of the year. ♪ and first ever back-to-back champion. guts. glory. ram.
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if you believe polls, new jersey governor chris christie has so far escaped significant public relations damageige the bridge scandal. a couple new polls indicate his ratings are largely positive,
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and that does not mean jersey politicians or federal investigators are letting it go. and tonight, senior correspondent eric shawn tells us christie may have more trouble on his hands over an ad campaign for the state. ♪ because we're stronger >> the commercials were made to boost tourism after superstorm sandy and prominently featured governor chris christie and his family. >> the jersey shore is open. >> you bet it is. >> now, the department of housing and urban development is investigating if the christie investigation misused federal money for the ads, right in the middle of his re-election campaign. democratic congressman frank pallone said the winning bid went to a firm that promised to include christie, while the losing bidder, charging $2 million less, did not. >> federal dollars are being spent to the tune of an extra $2 million at least, and the only difference between them, from what i could see, was the fact they were running the governor in the ads. >> the governor's office
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responded in a statement. federal agency reviews are routine and standard operating procedure. we're confident that any review will show that the ads were a key part in helping new jersey get back on its feet after being struck by the worst storm in state history. the audit comes as the new jersey state assembly has created a special assembly to investigate the bridge scandal. the committee will have the power to subpoena christie's top aides, including fired deputy chief of staff bridget anne kelly, who ordered the lane closings. >> our concern is there was apparently a very massive abuse of power and an attempt to conceal that abuse of power. before we learned of this, we would have all believed that something like this could not have happened, so we know we need to change laws to make sure it doesn't happen. >> well, the next subpoenas are expected to be issued thursday to kelly and christie's former campaign manager, bill steppian. while they say it's premature to
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talk about subpoenas the governor himself, he will give a state of the state speech in the trenton state house. there's no word if he plans to address the investigations or the bridge scandal. >> eric, thank you. let's talk more about governor christie and the culture of political friends and enemies. brit hume is here tonight. good evening. >> hi, bret. it is a fact of political life that a politician's staff is more likely to be spiteful and unforgiving toward the boss's opponents than the boss him or herself. they know today's opponent could be tomorrow's ally. that could help explain why it's plausible chris christie was not in on his underlings' scheme to tie up traffic on the highways of a mayor who didn't indorse the governor. they kept a meticulous record of the politicians who had endorsed
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or not endorsed her. we learned this from an excerpt from a forthcoming book entitle hrs state secrets and the rebirth of hillary clinton. the authors are two reporters from the washington political dailies, the hill and politico. they tell us clinton aides kept track of her endorsements on a color coded erasing board at headquarters during the campaign and on a spread sheet since. congressional democrats are each assigned a number from 1 to 7 with the 7s reserved for those whose nonendorsements were considered an outright betrayal. among the 7s, the late ted kennedy, and john kerry. the purpose of the list says the authors, quote, so friends could be rewarded and enemies punished. the similarities to the christie case are obvious. so are the differences. one of the differences in how much you're likely to hear about the clinton case. here's a hint. it will be less. bret. >> any evidence so far in what we have read and seen that hillary clinton was personally involved in this whole deal?
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>> it would seem evident she might have known about the list being kept, but the idea she ordered it, but nothing in the excerpt we have seen said she ordered retribution against anybody or anything of that kind, which reminds you of the christie case. no evidence yet. we'll see. >> we'll see. brit, thank you. up next, will the supreme court cut off president obama at the knees when it comes to his appointments? this is for you. ♪ [ male announcer ] bob's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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the court heard argued in a case that could result in a huge rebuke for president obama. shannon is here with that story. good evening. what's at stake in this case? >> bret, the constitution gives the president a right to make recess appointments when the senate is in recess, but this specific case looks at the president's power at a time when many in the senate argued they were not in recess because they were gaveling in every three days or so. here's the plaintiff's attorney. >> i think it's an important issue because one of the ways that the executive branch has unilaterally expanded executive power over time was by unilaterally expanding the scope of the president's recess appointment power. >> there seemed to be a real reluctance from a number of justices to view this as anything but a political move by a president who wasn't getting along with the senate. >> how is the administration hoping to preserve these
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appointments? >> these pointed out these justices and repeatedly leading up to the case, republican and democrat presidents have done similar appointments. today, they said it's a practice that has been going on for centuries and that should persuade the justices. we talked with chief counsel for the constitutional accountability center about that. >> the practice going back to president george washington supports the government's interpretation of the text of the constitution. >> the justices will likely take their first vote of the case behind closed doors probably on friday. >> shannon bream, thank you. president obama will talk about what changes he wants to make in nsa surveillance friday. the president will give the briefing from the justice department. he has indicated he's open to significant changes including how the u.s. monitored foreign leaders and how the nsa stores phone records on citizens. justices will not review an
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appeals court ruling striking down arizona's ban on abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. the ninth sicircuit court last year said they violate a long string of rulings including roe v. wade. >> a ban on tap water has been lifted in part of west virginia hit by a chemical spill last week. 300,000 people were told not to drink, wash, or use the water in any way other than flush the toilets. last thursday, a chemical used in coal processing leaked into the elk river. officials are still not saying what caused the accident. >> bombshells on benghazi. the transcripts, we'll talk about them with the fox all-stars in a minute. while we wait, logon to the sr bing polls to reserve your virtual seat right here on the panel. s. [ woman #2 ] to share a moment. [ woman #3 ] to travel the world without leaving home.
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it's been reported that people went crazy and wild because of this anti-muslim or anti-mohammed, i guess, movie. then i heard hillary clinton say it was an act of terrorism. what do you say? >> we're still doing an investigation. >> it's clear based upon the facts on the ground coming from the people who were actually getting the feed of information from on site in libya that they understood it to be a terrorist attack, and in the u.n. questioning of general dempsey and secretary panetta understood it as well. it begs the question, where did this information about it being in response to a demonstration really come from? >> chief washington correspondent james rosen, national security correspondent jennifer griffin both with two big pieces about 450 pieces of sworn testimony that fox news has obtained that were previously top secret, classified documents until late this evening.
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and both have been on this show, one showing testimony about why exactly the military said from the very beginning that it was a terrorist attack, and what the president may have been briefed by secretary panetta at the time and the chairman of the joint chiefs. here's some of that testimony with colonel george bristol on joint special task forces. the questioner is brad went strup. no one was the military was ever advising that you are aware of that this was a demonstration gone out of control? it was always considered an attack? >> yes, sir. >> on the united states? >> yes, sir, we referred to it as the attack. much more on the 450 pages. let's bring in the panel. steve hays. mar mara, and charles krauthammer. these are the benghazi trap scripts we have so far, and we'll have a number of different stories on this. your thoughts on what's come out tonight? >> that's a pretty significant
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development that the military briefers who spoke to the president on the night of the attack were telling him, in fact, in the words of ham, this was not a demonstration. this was a terrorist attack. >> general carter ham? >> general carter ham. telling the president that on the evening of the attack. even if you believed the video played some role, the video that al qaeda types used the video as a pretex to get people ginned up on the streets of benghazi, it was clear to top military officials, top cia officials, one of whom sent a memo the next day naming the people involved, that this was an attack. there was some level of pre-planning and evidence of some sophistication. for the president and his advisers to go out and for two weeks pretend that wasn't the case is quite extraordinary. you could see the change in the president's language, too. remember, the president and susan rice and others who came out and said, look, this was just a demonstration. it was because of this video. at some point, about two weeks in, the president says, well,
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you know, we had these jihadists and they used this video as an excuse to go out and conduct an attack. that doesn't quite get it right, but it gets closer to the truth. but that's two weeks later. why were they saying this all along? >> mara, people go back to, first of all, they're confused overall about the story. and you have to get back into the timeline of how things happened. and two, they go back to the thing that sticks in their mind probably the most, and that's secretary clinton in testimony saying, what difference does it mack? >> right. well, the difference that it might make is if she was tied in some way to either deciding not to call it a terrorist attack or in some way refusing the help and security that the diplomats needed on the ground there. i don't know if we have gotten to that level, but what we do have, again, with these documents is that the administration, for some reason, went out of its way, especially
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in the talking points given to susan rice, and she repeated them on television over and over again, that this somehow was a spontaneous demonstration, motivated in part or whole by the anti-islamic video. that clearly wasn't the case, and that's what this is all about. why the administration described it in a way that turned out not to be true. >> charles? >> i think the why is obvious. it was a way to maintain the fiction, as an election was approaching. obama boasting bin laden dead. gm alive, al qaeda on the run, they didn't want this, an obvious instance of a 9/11 attack on the anniversary to refute that story. the question remains how did it start since it obviously didn't start with the military. the military was telling the president on that very night, and the second question is, for these weeks afterward, when the pretense was out there, how
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could the people who knew, including, you know, very honorable people like the secretary of defense and others, stay quiet when they could see a falsehood being said. when you think of the question that hillary clinton asked, what difference does it make? you know, there's something clintonian in the question. there's a difference between the truth and a lie. the difference is that people in high office with public trust ought not lie. and if it was a lie, for whatever political or other reason, it shouldn't have happened, and the administration itself should have traced it down and corrected it. and they didn't. and that's what is disturbing and remains disturbing. >> the other side of this is jennifer griffin's reporting about the military readiness. september 10th, the white house puts out a press release in where it details how it's getting ready for preparations on september 11th. take a listen to the representative. >> the problem with the
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september 10th press release, other than its blatant, you know, we were ready and we said we were, it's the weeks and months leading up to that issuance of a press release saying we were prepared. it was misleading. and quite frankly, as demonstrated on september 11th, it was wrong. >> steve? >> i think that's right. i don't think there's any question really from anybody at this point that we were militarily unprepared and that the significant requests for enhanced security had been ignored and systematically ignored. there's also confirmation in the midst of the 450 pages in an exchange that jason had with lieutenant thomas colonel gibson, who was people might recall, one of the figures in the exchange painted so vividly
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in the testimony of gregory hicks. he wanted to go from tripoli to benghazi, and he was told he couldn't go. and chaffetz, in the middle of this hearing, asks gibson about that. is that true? and gibson basically says, it is true. that did happen. he tried to put it in context. he said i wanted you to know i was furious that night, really angry. but he offers a second compelling testimony to the testimony that hicks gave, that it's outrageous. >> to your point, mara, about the security at the facility. the review board said it was temporary. that was one of the reasons that they didn't secure it. we reported last week, they had just renewed a lease for another year at that very facility, and there were calls for security to be upgraded. >> right, even if it's temporary for another year, when the ambassador goes to visit, you have to have it secure. i mean, i don't think anybody is arguing there was a great dereliction of security for our
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diplomatic officials. i mean, i don't think there's any two ways about that. the question is, does it get to the level of a political problem for hillary clinton? i think that's the big question going forward. >> and there really hasn't been -- >> not yet. >> a lot of action on anybody paying the price for it. >> not yet. >> no, of course, there's none whatsoever. the only person who's been jailed over the assassinations in benghazi is a hapless coptic filmmaker who spent some time in jail. i'm not even sure if he's still in jail, but he went to jail. you would think in an country with a first amendment, he wouldn't. he did. nobody who participated in the attack is in jail or even apprehended. >> we'll have more from the benghazi transcripts throughout the week. up next, our best look yet at the obamacare enrollment numbers and what they mean. when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert.
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the demographics we're the e are reporting today are similar to our expectations and similar to what we have seen in the state of massachusetts where younger people tend to sign up later. >> they are getting too many older people, relatively younger people. that means this is a sicker people. that means a moore expensive pool. that means the premiums the insured companies put out there are too low and they will have to increase them the next time around. >> just in we have new obamacare enrollment numbers. these are the numbers given to us by h.h.s. just under 2.2 million people have enrolled so far. but, the ones signing up, only 24% of them, that's about 489,000 are in the 18 to 34 age bracket. and, as you just heard. that's a significant issue. if that trend continues,
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because it's well below what they need to make it all come together. we're back with our panel. marah? >> well, today at the white house, briefing consisted of an argument that while these numbers are not the kind of robust 35, 36, 37% of young people, they do reflect the number of young people in the population, and they mirror the kind of enrollment numbers among young people that massachusetts got in the first couple months. and their argument today was we have now escaped the death spiral. in other words, this level, while it isn't as big as we might have expected or wanted, is enough that we will not have the whole thing collapse of its own weight and the death spiral obviously is when you have too many older sicker people, too few healthy people. the rates go up and people can't afford it. >> what about the mortally wounded spiral. it seems like insurance companies could still look at the mixture and raise premiums signature castsly. >> yes, they could. and that is going to be, i
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think that's really going to be the measure of success or failure here. we're going to know, you owe, in a number of months whether that's happened or not. right now it's a glass half empty glass half full kind of argument. they say it could have been worse. when you look at mats mass they got 15% and 23% and 23% in the first three months. we are doing that or beating it a little. >> charles? it. >> sounds like a lot of happy talk. this is what we used to call rosy scenario. humana health reports adverse selection, ie the lack of enough young and healthys is worse than they expected. second, if all of this is true, if all of this is exactly as expected, nobody is worried. it's like what happened in massachusetts. why are the insurers and h.h.s. running around scared to death that the move to eliminate the bailout, the government bailout of insurers is underway? and the reason that the premium increase is not a
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worry is because if the insurers are ruined by numbers like these and they will be, wouldn't you are below the 38% and you plunge to the mid 20's, you're going to have huge losses of the reason they are not going to have to go into a death spiral raising the premium and getting even lower number of young and healthys is because they get the bailout. so they can keep the rates at the same rate and you and i in our taxes are going to be providing millions of dollars that will compensate for a program that is completely out of whack. and that's why republicans ought to pass within a week or two or three right now a provision to abolish the bailout. and then you will see the insurers speaking in a completely different way. if they really have to do it honestly and have to raise the premiums, you will hear them scream. steve, what we don't know in these numbers is how many people have actually
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paid and how many have not paid. >> two things reporters wanted to get out of this phone call, that number that you just suggested and this demographic breakdown. what we got from hhs was the demographic breakdown but it's a demographic breakdown that's based on an assumption into the pool will look the same same ratio as paid and unpaid. they haven't told us what the paid and unpaid are. you are making these assumptions beationed on totally phony numbers. incredible to me that some people are taking these demographic numbers so seriously and looking at decimal points break downs in these groups when we don't even know the very basic fact of who has paid and who hasn't paid. now, it may be the case that the demographic breakdowns will in fact reflect that broader pool. but, if they don't, then we are all making assumptions and everybody in washington is making assumptions that just won't work. >> so, the bottom line is you don't know until the end. >> but it's trouble.
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it is as if amazon, to follow up what steve was saying, it's as if amazon countered the sales everybody who put stuff in the shopping cart. you have got to measure how many of them actually go to checkout and then actually have a credit card that are pay for it that's where we are with this. even if you accept that everybody is enrolled, everybody is going to pay, these numbers are terrible. and the only thing saving the insurers and preventing a hike in premiums is a bailout. >> that is it for the panel. stay tuned for s.r. bing pulse highlights. yet another uncovered angle on the chris christie bridge story. [ male announc ] your e. even at a distance of 10 mis... the length 146 football fields... they can see the light of a single candle. your eyes are amazing. look after them with centrum silver. multivitamins with lutein and vitamins a, c, and e
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here are tonight's bing highlights, all men and women agreed strongly with charles when he said benghazi growed because of the coming election. women were more on steve's
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side than men there were no terror plots at the time of the ben gez attacks. men disagrees with marah more when she relayed the white house position that it has escaped the death spiral of obama exchanges. obamacare exchanges. total votes tonight 181,000. finally tonight, we thought seeing the massive amount of coverage of governor chris christie's bridge scandal in new jersey that every angle had been covered. every possible fallout chewed over by pundits there could be something that everyone has been missing. >> that was the first time i knew about this. this morning i have terminated the employment of brigitte kelly effective immediately. i have terminated her employment because she lied to me. >> in retrospect he probably should have expected in this traffic scandal was connected to bridge it kelly. and if i were him, i would keep my eye on communications director lane closh. -- closure. >> that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid.
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greta goes "on the record" right now. this is a fox news alert. the obama administration did it again. missing another target. just a short time ago, h.h.s. releasing new obamacare enrollment numbers. for the first time we are seeing who signed up. turns out though just 24% of measures who signed up. 489,000 are between the ages of 18 and 34. now, that is far below the administration's goal of 38%. and to make matters worse. 79 % ever of the people who signed up, selected a plan with financial assistance. that means you, taxpayers, are paying. former new york city mayor rudy giuliani joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, how are you? >> i'm very well. i assume that these numbers are disappointing you by the